Irish comedian Peter Flanagan posted a clip about Irish Americans that has me thinking about pubs. The premise of the bit is that Irish Americans are more conservative than the Irish, but they also have a lot in common with the LGBT community.
It resonated with me as I thought about the Irish pubs I’ve known over the years, primarily in the metro New York area. While Flanagan was stereotyping, Irish American pubs often help make his case.
He mentions how identity and parades are important to both groups. One similarity he didn’t mention is the importance of flags to Irish American and the LGBT communities. To be clear, Irish pubs are not the kind of places you’ll find a pride flag waving in the breeze.
Instead, US and Irish flags are common. Whether that’s a sign of patriotism or nationalism depends on the particular pub you’re in.
A Guinness at Ryan’s Daughter in the Upper East Side of Manhattan.
Pints of Guinness at Swift Hibernian Lounge in Manhattan’s East Village.
There’s a pub near me that also flies the thin blue line flag. Given the long history of Irish Americans working as law enforcement (in addition to being firefighters), this isn’t surprising.
While some argue that flag is simply meant to show support for law enforcement, others take it as a sign that certain types of people are not welcome. This would include the LGBT community. But that’s just one bar.
A more ubiquitous, but less divisive gesture is the patches from fire and police departments often found on the interior walls of these pubs. These don’t automatically mean that they’re MAGA haunts, but they may be a subtle cue that you’re in Trump country.
But not all Irish pubs in New York fit the stereotype. Some exude Irish culture without coming across as right-wing or nationalist. Though there are some that have been around for a while, there’s been a particular uptick in the last ten years or so. At these places, there’s less kitsch and less chance of hearing the record scratch if you roll in decked out in Pride gear.
And unlike many of the traditional places, selling a proper pint of Guinness is a point of pride at the newer spots. So, you’ll have much greater chances of getting an “absolute creamer.” Even if it is a lesser US version.
Ultimately, while the Guinness is a draw at these pubs, the best part is being able to savor that pint and be in a space that is welcoming to all.